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		<title>By: Dana Seilhan</title>
		<link>http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2010/01/26/no-its-not-a-normal-variation-youre-a-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Seilhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I don&#039;t have any problem with raising a child in a religion.  I kind of wish my parents had done that for me.  But to me it&#039;s another form of culture.  I have no culture, it seems like, other than that of a good little consumer.  It bothers me a lot.

I&#039;d rather see people adopt religious views that encourage adaptation to place and healthy interaction with other people... but Christianity at its best at least does the latter.

I guess I&#039;m getting a little bit Darwinist about the whole raising kids as vegan thing.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I will guilt-trip the parents about it any chance I get--that&#039;s one of the acceptable (to me) forms of pressure, the peer-group guilt-trip.  But sometimes the only way people will learn is by doing.  And given the already-strained-to-the-limits foster care system and the fact that so many kids age out of that system without finding a new permanent family, since so few adopters will bother with older kids, if the child&#039;s not in danger of immediate damage, maiming or death I&#039;m inclined to leave them with their parents, even mediocre or dietarily-deluded ones.  I have to realize that I cannot save everyone... and that government-run efforts to do that have on the whole failed miserably.  I&#039;m not as allergic to government as a lot of low-carbers are, but I still have to acknowledge the obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t have any problem with raising a child in a religion.  I kind of wish my parents had done that for me.  But to me it&#8217;s another form of culture.  I have no culture, it seems like, other than that of a good little consumer.  It bothers me a lot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather see people adopt religious views that encourage adaptation to place and healthy interaction with other people&#8230; but Christianity at its best at least does the latter.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m getting a little bit Darwinist about the whole raising kids as vegan thing.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I will guilt-trip the parents about it any chance I get&#8211;that&#8217;s one of the acceptable (to me) forms of pressure, the peer-group guilt-trip.  But sometimes the only way people will learn is by doing.  And given the already-strained-to-the-limits foster care system and the fact that so many kids age out of that system without finding a new permanent family, since so few adopters will bother with older kids, if the child&#8217;s not in danger of immediate damage, maiming or death I&#8217;m inclined to leave them with their parents, even mediocre or dietarily-deluded ones.  I have to realize that I cannot save everyone&#8230; and that government-run efforts to do that have on the whole failed miserably.  I&#8217;m not as allergic to government as a lot of low-carbers are, but I still have to acknowledge the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Issy</title>
		<link>http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2010/01/26/no-its-not-a-normal-variation-youre-a-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Issy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 14:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about wanting to find middle ground and not impose beliefs on other people. But kids have the right to grow up strong and healthy and then make their own choices. I have thought about it a lot, and I hate to be on a soapbox to anyone, now that I am paleo. But if we could look back to ancestral eating guidelines and try to interpret that in a way that would allow us to nourish our young until they came of age, I would feel a lot better about it. Then they can go out and try all manner of diets until they find one that they like.

I feel the same way about religion though. I didn&#039;t think it should be forced on my daughter, despite the pressure from my family. I did not have her baptized when she was born. I wanted her to grow up and decide what would be her own truth. It caused my parents a lot of heartache but I didn&#039;t regret my decision. And as an adult, my daughter tells me this was beneficial to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about wanting to find middle ground and not impose beliefs on other people. But kids have the right to grow up strong and healthy and then make their own choices. I have thought about it a lot, and I hate to be on a soapbox to anyone, now that I am paleo. But if we could look back to ancestral eating guidelines and try to interpret that in a way that would allow us to nourish our young until they came of age, I would feel a lot better about it. Then they can go out and try all manner of diets until they find one that they like.</p>
<p>I feel the same way about religion though. I didn&#8217;t think it should be forced on my daughter, despite the pressure from my family. I did not have her baptized when she was born. I wanted her to grow up and decide what would be her own truth. It caused my parents a lot of heartache but I didn&#8217;t regret my decision. And as an adult, my daughter tells me this was beneficial to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Issy</title>
		<link>http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2010/01/26/no-its-not-a-normal-variation-youre-a-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Issy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 14:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes! Bone broth. Such good stuff. We eat mostly venison and beef from a friend&#039;s dairy farm. In the fall, they ask how much we want to buy of this pastured meat, when they butcher ($2.00 per pound, no less). And I have requested marrow bones this time, along with the meat. 

I would be willing to bet that sipping on a bone broth would heal so many ills. I agree with WAPF. I have the Nourishing Traditions cookbook and use it a lot, omitting only those recipes that call for ingredients I do better without.

Richard Bernstein devoted a full chapter on gastroparesis in his book on diabetes, which seems to be on the rise (my own opinion). Damage to the vagus nerve from blood glucose over 140? So someone with gastroparesis, undiagnosed celiac and eating lots of fiber may just overload their poor stomach when they dump some protein on top of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes! Bone broth. Such good stuff. We eat mostly venison and beef from a friend&#8217;s dairy farm. In the fall, they ask how much we want to buy of this pastured meat, when they butcher ($2.00 per pound, no less). And I have requested marrow bones this time, along with the meat. </p>
<p>I would be willing to bet that sipping on a bone broth would heal so many ills. I agree with WAPF. I have the Nourishing Traditions cookbook and use it a lot, omitting only those recipes that call for ingredients I do better without.</p>
<p>Richard Bernstein devoted a full chapter on gastroparesis in his book on diabetes, which seems to be on the rise (my own opinion). Damage to the vagus nerve from blood glucose over 140? So someone with gastroparesis, undiagnosed celiac and eating lots of fiber may just overload their poor stomach when they dump some protein on top of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Seilhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Seilhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet!  And I think the post is even more valuable now that Issy&#039;s weighed in about gluten-related gut damage.  If someone out there really really wants to re-introduce animal foods but is running into digestive trouble, they need to know this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet!  And I think the post is even more valuable now that Issy&#8217;s weighed in about gluten-related gut damage.  If someone out there really really wants to re-introduce animal foods but is running into digestive trouble, they need to know this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Seilhan</title>
		<link>http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2010/01/26/no-its-not-a-normal-variation-youre-a-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Seilhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even little girls shouldn&#039;t be loaded up with estrogen that early.  That&#039;s part of why girls reach puberty earlier now than they would have otherwise.  (Puberty ages do differ depending on where you live in the world--but we&#039;ve got girls hitting it earlier than they should for *this* area of the world.  Scary stuff.)

I know of someone who&#039;s vegetarian (I don&#039;t think she&#039;s vegan but I can&#039;t remember now) and has three boys.  Amazingly, two of them have ADHD.  No, it&#039;s not their diet, it&#039;s that they have a Ritalin deficiency disease.  God that makes me crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even little girls shouldn&#8217;t be loaded up with estrogen that early.  That&#8217;s part of why girls reach puberty earlier now than they would have otherwise.  (Puberty ages do differ depending on where you live in the world&#8211;but we&#8217;ve got girls hitting it earlier than they should for *this* area of the world.  Scary stuff.)</p>
<p>I know of someone who&#8217;s vegetarian (I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s vegan but I can&#8217;t remember now) and has three boys.  Amazingly, two of them have ADHD.  No, it&#8217;s not their diet, it&#8217;s that they have a Ritalin deficiency disease.  God that makes me crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: dcarpend</title>
		<link>http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2010/01/26/no-its-not-a-normal-variation-youre-a-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>dcarpend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and my biggest worry for those boys?  Their mother is loading them up with estrogen.  I agree that people have a right to their beliefs.  OTOH, pretty sure if that mother was having her boys swallow a few birth control pills every day, CPS would have something to say about it.  It&#039;s a complicated issue, and I don&#039;t have an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and my biggest worry for those boys?  Their mother is loading them up with estrogen.  I agree that people have a right to their beliefs.  OTOH, pretty sure if that mother was having her boys swallow a few birth control pills every day, CPS would have something to say about it.  It&#8217;s a complicated issue, and I don&#8217;t have an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: dcarpend</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcarpend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other Dana, I&#039;ve sent the link to this post to Lierre Keith, who wrote The Vegetarian Myth.  I&#039;m sure she&#039;ll love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Dana, I&#8217;ve sent the link to this post to Lierre Keith, who wrote The Vegetarian Myth.  I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;ll love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Seilhan</title>
		<link>http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2010/01/26/no-its-not-a-normal-variation-youre-a-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Seilhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mixed feelings about all that.  I feel sorry for the boys and I don&#039;t think anyone has a right to cause physical damage to their children.  On the other hand, I also believe people have a right to their own beliefs, and that in the long run we&#039;re more likely to give up on veganism as a society if there is hard evidence that it does damage.  I wonder if it&#039;s possible to find a middle ground there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings about all that.  I feel sorry for the boys and I don&#8217;t think anyone has a right to cause physical damage to their children.  On the other hand, I also believe people have a right to their own beliefs, and that in the long run we&#8217;re more likely to give up on veganism as a society if there is hard evidence that it does damage.  I wonder if it&#8217;s possible to find a middle ground there.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Seilhan</title>
		<link>http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2010/01/26/no-its-not-a-normal-variation-youre-a-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Seilhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here.  I don&#039;t object to health insurance and I think if we had a single-payer system it&#039;d save lives.  So many people put off medical care because they can&#039;t pay for it, then an illness progresses beyond help.  But on the other hand, not having the constant access to a doctor, therefore not being conditioned to take the doctor&#039;s word as gospel, does force you to figure things out on your own.  God, if I&#039;d left all this up to a doctor, I&#039;d be full on sick by now.

I have access to health insurance now but I want to use it as easy access to labs.  I want them to test me and see if I&#039;m gluten-intolerant, if I&#039;m hypothyroid, etc.  They can tell me whatever they want, nobody says I have to listen to it if it doesn&#039;t seem to be backed by anything empirical.  I just need the numbers.

That&#039;s interesting about malabsorption possibly being related to poor meat digestion.  I wonder if someone could fix the problem by consuming bone broth on a regular basis.  The WAPF folks seem to think that helps.  Dr. Pottenger used to recommend bone broth as a gut healer, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here.  I don&#8217;t object to health insurance and I think if we had a single-payer system it&#8217;d save lives.  So many people put off medical care because they can&#8217;t pay for it, then an illness progresses beyond help.  But on the other hand, not having the constant access to a doctor, therefore not being conditioned to take the doctor&#8217;s word as gospel, does force you to figure things out on your own.  God, if I&#8217;d left all this up to a doctor, I&#8217;d be full on sick by now.</p>
<p>I have access to health insurance now but I want to use it as easy access to labs.  I want them to test me and see if I&#8217;m gluten-intolerant, if I&#8217;m hypothyroid, etc.  They can tell me whatever they want, nobody says I have to listen to it if it doesn&#8217;t seem to be backed by anything empirical.  I just need the numbers.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting about malabsorption possibly being related to poor meat digestion.  I wonder if someone could fix the problem by consuming bone broth on a regular basis.  The WAPF folks seem to think that helps.  Dr. Pottenger used to recommend bone broth as a gut healer, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Issy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Issy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more thing...

I listened to a podcast this weekend where the guest speaker was this hyper sounding woman who was hard core vegan. She made her two young sons eat this way too. The word soy popped up constantly. I felt sad for those boys. They need some saturated fat and heme iron. She&#039;s going to really screw them up, physically and probably mentally too.

I posted a comment about it (though it hasn&#039;t been approved yet) and mentioned that it should be the choice of an adult to eat that way, but never should be forced on kids. Stay with an ancestral type diet until the person is old enough to make up their own mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more thing&#8230;</p>
<p>I listened to a podcast this weekend where the guest speaker was this hyper sounding woman who was hard core vegan. She made her two young sons eat this way too. The word soy popped up constantly. I felt sad for those boys. They need some saturated fat and heme iron. She&#8217;s going to really screw them up, physically and probably mentally too.</p>
<p>I posted a comment about it (though it hasn&#8217;t been approved yet) and mentioned that it should be the choice of an adult to eat that way, but never should be forced on kids. Stay with an ancestral type diet until the person is old enough to make up their own mind.</p>
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